Rules clarification: Teamwork it says once the character on point uses a special move she becomes backup but only…

Rules clarification: Teamwork it says once the character on point uses a special move she becomes backup but only…

Rules clarification: Teamwork it says once the character on point uses a special move she becomes backup but only after a setup does a character move from backup to on point. Does this mean after a “lead team” or “overcome” move there is no person on point without gaining stress?

Yesterday our group (Simone Micucci Domenico Marino Nikitas Thlimmenos ) tried the  game and I have some question.

Yesterday our group (Simone Micucci Domenico Marino Nikitas Thlimmenos ) tried the  game and I have some question.

Yesterday our group (Simone Micucci Domenico Marino Nikitas Thlimmenos ) tried the  game and I have some question.

Sorry in advance for my poor english. I hope you’ll understand.

  

1. Every obstacle has to have a danger attached, right?, that I have to face if a doesnt’ roll a full succes.

2. The “on point”/backup mechanic works only during the operations or even if two players gather informations before the operations?

3. Does the the “on point”/backup mechanic apply at a flashback action during the execution of a plan? Example: I failed to lockpick the door and have to face the danger in the form of a guard coming by. Another player, even if not “on point” can do a Flashback action in which he has bribed the guard?

4. The 4/5 result in Controlled (-1 level in effects), means that if I roll a Complete effects I have to count it as a Partial?

5 Flashback scene: the danger in a Flashback scene has to deal with the past (during the flashback scene) or it can be a danger in the present?

6. The danger has to be focused on the PG or on the NPC too? 

(Example: the player consort with an ally to convince him to give the group a secret map. The danger could be “Someone will beat/murder your ally because has given away the map?”

   

One thing I’m looking forward to in the full book is just how the city manages to deal with all its dead, or perhaps…

One thing I’m looking forward to in the full book is just how the city manages to deal with all its dead, or perhaps…

One thing I’m looking forward to in the full book is just how the city manages to deal with all its dead, or perhaps more accurate how well. I mean, I know there are the crematoriums or whatever that incinerate the dead using plasmic oils or whatever, but collecting all the deceased must be quite a chore. I’m sure plenty of them fall through the cracks even without factoring in those who intentionally try to avoid cremation for whatever reason.

The sewers are probably full of spirits from cut-throats and murderers dumping bodies, for example.

Some of these may be covered in the main book but they are thoughts I had while reading the QuickStart.

Some of these may be covered in the main book but they are thoughts I had while reading the QuickStart.

Some of these may be covered in the main book but they are thoughts I had while reading the QuickStart.

A gang of Thieves has “Elite Shadows” as an option. Do you need to take regular Shadows first? Based on the similarity to the character sheets I assume not—if I am reading right, the unshaded stuff is shared between all and the shaded background is specific to the archetype, whether it is groups or people.

The advantage of using a Large weapon is purely fictional positioning, right? It potentially alters the type of Action roll (“well, he’s only got a knife so I think this situation is pretty controlled, unless he manages to get in close to you” and the “what you’d expect” result (with a knife, “what you’d expect” would be a stab wound, the greatsword might make the expected effect more like brutal decapitation).

Scale: do the Mismatch/Overwhelmed/Outclassed levels correspond to 1/2/3 levels of scale difference? Not entirely clear. By default I personally would assume that “overwhelmed” would represent a greater disparity than Outclassed. Also Outclassed seems more of a skill comparison—I wouldn’t describe someone as being “outclassed” by an opponent’s size or superior numbers.

Just finished running my first session with the quick start!

Just finished running my first session with the quick start!

Just finished running my first session with the quick start!

Character creation was a breeze. Wound up with: Xoan the Slide, a former advisor to a demon lord; Carmen the Cutter, a Tycheroi stevedore with a forked tongue; and Asher the Lurk, a wreck diver from the Dagger Isles.

They called themselves The Other Hand.

The Other Hand wound up immediately siding with Baz and agreeing to go raid the Red Sashes’ vault. The first roll of the game was Asher’s player Gathering Information for the heist with Discern. With a result of 4, they asked “What does Baz want us to do with the money we get?” which is kind of a weird question, maybe? Anyway, I said he wanted them to bring him all of it, and then he’d pay them from it. They were like “Yeah, right”.

So they then started to plan, and I was like “This game doesn’t want you to do any pre-planning except deciding which of these five plan types you’re doing”. So they chose the Infiltration plan, with a tended garden stream as the entry point, and Asher took point. The first obstacle was a locked grate where the stream flowed out of the monastery proper. Their player immediately called for a flashback scene and used Supply to get some keys off of their good friend Frake. They got a 1-3, so they knew the Red Sashes were planning an ambush behind the door.

The fiction got a little confusing here. Asher decided to abandon this line of attack, but instead sneak into the building and leave some doors unlocked in order to divert the attention of any Red Sashes on guard. So it seemed like they were acting as though the Red Sashes were planning on ambushing them, even though they wound up abandoning the angle of attack? I basically treated it like they upgraded to a risky move.

Once the heist got rolling, the teamwork moves worked like a charm. The players passed point around like nobody’s business. I was unclear whether players not on point could make rolls other than backup rolls, and in what situation that might happen.

Anyway, Carmen and Asher raided the vault while Xoan wound up embroiled (due to devil’s bargains) in a theological debate with a Servant of the Ecstasy of the Flesh in the Red Sashes’ courtyard. Carmen tried to set a fire to help Xoan escape, rolled poorly, and left him to deal with the result. Asher stayed behind and used climbing gear to get Xoan out.

So here I think I made a mistake. I was thinking “No planning during a score!” and immediately cut to them attempting to bilk Baz out of the contents of the vault. I was thinking of it as an extension of the same score, but I think it should have been a separate score, using the Deception Plan. Anyway, Xoan took point, and immediately decided to take the desperate action of saying “Sorry, we didn’t get anything” and using a flashback to declare that their elite gang of shadows was hiding the loot.

I said the danger was Baz figured out their plan and had sent goons to intercept their haul. Of course, when they got a 5 on the roll, that became a problem, as the danger (they lose the money) and the effect (they get the money) directly contradicted. So I changed the effect to “Sloane (the leader of the shadows) dies fighting off the Lampblack goons”. Which Xoan soaked.

So yeah they got away with stuff, and wound up with only 1 heat to show for it.

Suggestions/Wrinkles

People were confused by the Effect rules; they were giving themselves the stress AND filling segments when rolling effect, instead of just filling segments. Maybe an “or” between the two would make it clearer that you don’t do both options?

I’m assuming Renown/Wanted actually have mechanical effect in the full game, so not worried about that.

Heavy armor lets you avoid the effects of 3 separate physical attacks, yeah?

One player filled stress and ticked a Trauma during the first session. Is that normal? Also,  I’m reading it right that you can have your stress gauge entirely filled. It’s just when you take more than that that you have to take Trauma, right?

Perhaps this has been covered, but is there a difference between items on the unshaded side of the items list as…

Perhaps this has been covered, but is there a difference between items on the unshaded side of the items list as…

Perhaps this has been covered, but is there a difference between items on the unshaded side of the items list as opposed to the shaded side?

“Every half-dead would-be crimelord pushing an oar on a prison hulk, every hanged fool, every cutpurse rotting in a…

“Every half-dead would-be crimelord pushing an oar on a prison hulk, every hanged fool, every cutpurse rotting in a…

“Every half-dead would-be crimelord pushing an oar on a prison hulk, every hanged fool, every cutpurse rotting in a sunless cell all have one thing in common, they were let down by the weak link in their crew. If you don’t have each other, you have nothing but an oar, a length of rope or a dank cell.”

 – Old Jenny Corners, you know her, sitting on the corner, smoking her pipe, watching the young’uns do their dirt.

Inspired by an IM conversation between me and Jim DelRosso